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I’m entirely sure why you would even want a computer to write a story or really anything at all. It makes about as much sense to me as building a robot to dance Swan Lake or building a computer that can sing the blues.

If you only think of art (in whatever form you fancy) as a utility or a mere money making endeavor then it makes sense to have a machine do it. But art, for most of humanity, is an exercise of expression either of ideas or emotions. Most people don’t write, romance or poetry or really anything, to get rich. They do it because they must. So I guess I’m like “Huh, that’s interesting but why?”

This idea has been trotted out before on slow news days. Yes, they can get a computer to write something passably readable, but can they get it to stalk an editor in a restroom? Only then will we be talking about a new world order.

Talk about formulaic writing!!

Technical manuals, maybe, but otherwise? I’m not biting…

I’m thinking it’s more than just the cake that’s a lie here.

Random POV shift + info dumping. Yep, that’s some great writing, Deep Blue. *rolls eyes*

It’s UltraWord!

The real insult to me is the idea that non-fiction prose is somehow “easier” or less imaginative than fiction. It’s the same attitude that led people to argue that Cassie Edwards’s plagiarism was “no big deal” because they were “just” reference texts or “facts.”

WE WORK JUST AS HARD, DAMN IT! Uh...not that I"m bitter or anything.

(Now that I’m used to it, I’m starting to love the new format!)

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...but can they get it to stalk an editor in a restroom? Only then will we be talking about a new world order.

hee.

The real insult to me is the idea that non-fiction prose is somehow “easier” or less imaginative than fiction.

No one’s saying it’s easier--just soulless. *ducks*

I tracked down a couple of programs once that generated “stories”.

They were… less than inspiring.

Actually, I wonder if I still have either the programs or the generated “stories"…

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years ago i downloaded something like that off of a P2P to try it out. It was annoying . It’s biggest job seemed to be to take every noun and prompt you for an adjective.

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Yeah, it’s all fun and flying body parts, until some AI unit comes up with the phrase “Jezebel sucked harder, pulling his eye into her mouth.” and the reader gets creeped out in the middle of her romance read…

It’s the Great Automatic Grammatizer!

That sound you here ? Roald Dahl spinning so fast he is half way to Adelaide.

and some of which “collect publicly available information on a subject.” Using computers and a few programming humans, Parker prints them on demand of a customer - individuals who are looking for information and who are not familiar with the internet, or medical libraries who collect “nearly everything he produces.”

Is it just me, or does it sound like he’s cribbing his “books” from the internet (aka plagiarizing them)?

I would totally dig fiction written by GLaDOS.  I bet it would be fantastic.  Bondage, and neurotoxic gas and cake(but of course there wouldn’t be cake, even though it was on the back cover and all the blurbs went on about how much they liked the scene with the cake).

building a robot to dance Swan Lake

That actually sounds kind of awesome. I would go to the robot ballet.

“I’m so GLaD I met you, Insert Subject Name Here...”

Philip Parker is a prime example of all that is wrong with the world and why nobody respects writers or thinks it’s necessary to pay them for their work. I, for one, have no interest in reading any novels, romance or otherwise, written by a computer or robot. It defeats the whole purpose of “creative” writing.

Is it just me, or does it sound like he’s cribbing his “books” from the internet (aka plagiarizing them)?

Yep, that is what it sounds like (given the number of books he’s “publishing”, I can’t imagine all the content is truly public domain).  Should we hold a countdown to the first lawsuit?

About time.  I can steal its plots?

Sounds a lot like some of my advertising clients who think they can write.
(Couldn’t recognize a well-written sentence if it bit them on the ass!)

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quote]Is it just me, or does it sound like he’s cribbing his “books” from the internet (aka plagiarizing them)?

Yep, that is what it sounds like (given the number of books he’s “publishing”, I can’t imagine all the content is truly public domain).  Should we hold a countdown to the first lawsuit?

I thought it didn’t have to constitute copyright infringement to be plagiarism.  Even stuff in the publis domain shouldn’t be copied and passed off as your own. Or your computer’s…

So, let me get this straight,…

... A.I. has a need for self-expression? 

A.I. needs to explore ideas and share perspectives?  A.I. can plumb the depths of the human condition, and come away enlightened and bearing secret knowledge of the inner workings of the human heart?

On the surface, the concept almost sounds intriguing.  But it reduces to the reader to a mere consumer of fabricated goods—I suppose for some that’s what it’s all about, and that bottom line is all that matters.

Where will the poetry of ‘life’ come from, if the A.I. is incapable of writing what it doesn’t know, can’t experience?  Can you imagine the autobiography, particularly a bildungsroman, of an A.I.?

Yikes.

And can you imagine this ‘author’ on a date??

Double yikes.

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What I wanna see is the gorgeous cover where the AI’s boobs are hanging somewhere around the other AI’s crotch, with her looking aggravated and him bored.

Now THAT will be a cover!

Well, I think some authors are already using this software. And if they don’t, their books make you think they used a plotline-mix and match software when writing them. Not sure if I may name names, but one author comes to mind whose books can only be told apart by the characters’ names. At least those books she wrote since the late 1990s. Although the quantity of “new age” nonsense did seem to rise with each book.

I thought it didn’t have to constitute copyright infringement to be plagiarism.  Even stuff in the public domain shouldn’t be copied and passed off as your own. Or your computer’s…

Fair enough.  Though I don’t actually know whether he’s passing it off as his own, or whether he’s giving credit to the source material somewhere in the book; I was really just expressing skepticism that absolutely everything he’s publishing is in the public domain.  (200,000 titles—and counting—is quite a lot.)

Apologies, kirsten—you’re right; even in my previous post, I was still conflating the two concepts.  I really shouldn’t post when I’m tired.

Heck, don’t apologize, Rachel.  Despite their legal definitions, I personally see no real moral distinction between the two. 

As far as this software is concerned, there’s a difference between “writing” and “regurgitating”.  If all this program does is gather facts, jumble them up and spit them out again, it’s nothing more than literary puke, IMO. To equate computer algorithms with human insight is like comparing factory manufactured melamine to hand-crafted mahogany. Sure, they both make a functional piece of furniture, but…

Yeah, it’s all fun and flying body parts, until some AI unit comes up with the phrase “Jezebel sucked harder, pulling his eye into her mouth.” and the reader gets creeped out in the middle of her romance read…

AND (from another person)

What I wanna see is the gorgeous cover where the AI’s boobs are hanging somewhere around the other AI’s crotch, with her looking aggravated and him bored.

ROTFLMAO. can you two just please collaborate and pass it off as AI? i would so buy that.

No one’s saying it’s easier--just soulless. *ducks*

Eeeevil!!

Though my dissertation might be eating my soul...which would make it maybe more ensouled than I will be at the end of it. Hm.

Sorry, Snarkhunter, I couldn’t resist that one. ;)

Actually, I’m of a mind that writing readable non-fic probably takes more talent and skill than fiction writing.

Totally unrelated, but the more I think about it, the more I’m compelled to have a character in one of my WIPs suck someone’s eyeball out. Just gotta figure out who…

Is this, at last, the truth about Cassie Edwards?

I’m sure computers will write brilliant fiction.  After all, they are so good at correcting grammar and spelling....