Yay! I shall hug it, and love it, and call it . . . well, probably not George. But whatever. I won a book! :)
*waves* Hiya, Esri!
I’ve been thinking a lot about realism in fiction lately. I’ve said several times before that I don’t expect strict realism in my fiction, and it’s true—if I did, I wouldn’t be as big a fan of fantasy and science fiction as I am. Having the fantastic happen in fiction is to be expected, in both big and little ways, even if the books try to adhere to real life as much as possible. Think about it: if mystery novels strictly reflected reality, then the majority of stories which featured cold crime scenes would end with the mystery unsolved, and serial killers and multiple murders would make up only the tiniest fraction of all mystery books instead of the fairly healthy percentage they enjoy today.
Then as I was reading Haunted by Chuck Palahniuk the other day, I was forcefully reminded that there’s a definite difference between making shit up and getting shit wrong, and that there’s a huge divide between making shit up convincingly, and making shit up in such a way that suspension of disbelief is impossible.
For those of you who are planning to read this book and can’t stand spoilers, stop reading right now. The rest of this entry is going to discuss this book in great detail and give away critical plot points. Also, don’t bother reading if you’re not interested in reading me nitpick about somewhat geeky science shit.
Chuck Palahniuk is one of those authors I keep meaning to check out, but haven’t. I’m interested in Fugitives and Refugees since I love the concept of “keep Portland weird” that I understand he espouses in that one.
Now I’m wondering if his other books are as full of plot holes as Haunted. The freeze dried food thing would have caught my attention in a negative way, too. The pregnancy thing, I suppose that would have depended on the tone of how it was done. As in, if it were like a story told ‘round the campfire that is supposed to be outlandish but potentially plausible in only the most remotest of ways it wouldn’t have bugged me. But if it were told in seriousness, no way would I have bought it.
So any comments on other books? Is he worth my time?
When I was being trained as an editor, she had this to say on researching: if your mother tells you she loves you, check her sources. Interesting, especially since she IS my mother.
My point is, these mistakes shouldn’t have been made by the author. But since they were, they shouldn’t have been missed by the editor. Somebody should have picked up on this. That’s just weak.
Fight Club is the only other book of his that I read, and it was all right. Cool story told in a rather mediocre fashion. When I heard they were making it into a movie--a movie starring Brad Pitt, no less--I was extremely skeptical about how they’d make it work. To my surprise, they did a great job. It’s one of the few instances of a movie actually being better than the book, in my opinion.
The thing is, Palahniuk has a very distinct voice. If you love the voice (and many people do), you’ll love his books. If you’re only so-so on the voice, like I am, then his books will be passably entertaining but not really great.
The pregnancy thing: well, all the short stories are told in a fireside fashion, sort of, but the whole schtick of the book is (near as I can tell) is that these stories are Really Real and reflect the true experiences of the characters. So reading about dude radically prolapsing his colon while bashing the bishop is implausible, but given the context and the backstory, it was believable. The pregnancy thing? No. Fucking. Way.
I vote we name Candy’s car “The Simian Rectum.”
Is it possible that this story was set in the future, where platypi (platypusses?) have gone extinct?
I expect some historical mistakes to creep into books (like tomatoes & maize in pre-1492 Europe), but to get the present wrong takes real cluelessness.
I vote we name Candy’s car “The Simian Rectum.”
Well, shit, Sarah, I can’t give the prize to you! You’re already the Duchess of Cuntington!
Is it possible that this story was set in the future, where platypi (platypusses?) have gone extinct?
That’s a possibility, though from the way the stories are written, everything is happenening in the Here and Now. But platypuses? Why not mention other animals that are much more likely to go extinct in the near future, like the Siberian tiger, the snow leopard or the hawksbill turtle? Platypuses aren’t rare; the reason people don’t encounter them very often is because they’re so reclusive. The juxtaposition of a rather exotic (but by no means endangered) species together with two bona fide extinct animals is also odd.
I’m leaning towards “genuine boneheaded mistake” unless I learn otherwise.
Oh man, that pool thing brought back a funny memory. I was in the eleventh grade in NC when they passed the law to have English teachers teach a week of AIDS education. We had this loner chick in highschool-- you know, the type who wasn’t in the popular crowd but was so confident and cool everyone liked her. She had white, spiked hair, smoked cigarettes and drove this expensive little foreign sports car.
She asked the teacher about catching aids in a swimming pool. Teacher didn’t get it. Girl tried again in a polite way. Teacher didn’t get it. Girl finally said, “Jesus! What if some guy with aids whacks off in the pool and I swim around with my mouth open. Am I gonna fucking swallow the little guys and get sick or what?”
This teacher, when she recovered, actually did research on it and according to her, “the little guys wouldn’t survive long.”
Now I’m reallyglad I didn’t pick up the book at full price; that’s just the sort of stuff that makes my eyelid twitch. I try my damndest to Do A Little Research when I have an outlandish assertion I want to make in fiction, it irritates me when writers who think their readers are stupid don’t bother to.
Thanks, Candy: you’ve not only performed a public service by keeping me fromt he rage that would no doubt result from me reading the book, but you’ve also saved me money. I’ll buy you a cuppa coffee sometime, LOL. Or even a Powell’s GC.
Palhniuk is like a psychotic three year old playing in his own shit. If it ain’t gross, don’t write it. He takes men behaving badly to extreme heights. I mean depths. I don’t think he gives a shit if he’s accurate or not.
Fight Club wasn’t a bad book, but, yeah, the movie was incrementally better. If it hadn’t been for FC, would we even be seeing him on bookstore shelves now?
Hmmm, the swimming pool thing, I would have been laughing my ass off. However, we do have a pool and now I am not *ever* going to leave someone alone in it! She-yit, there’s enough bio-crap I have to kill on a normal day and yeah, I try not to think about kids peeing in the pool.
Not sure I would have picked up on the freeze dried food rotting but then, this is sooo not my kind of book.
I’ve never seen Fight Club but maybe I should try it out.
I had a ton of fun reading about the Platypus - I always thought of them as cuddly like the drawings on the site but that was probably the first time I have ever seen a real picture. The whole concept of where on the ancestoral tree they came from was interesting stuff.
CindyS
Oh my God! I just realized--my firstborn child probably isn’t even mine!
I mean, when I got preggers with him, I lived in an apartment complex. I frequented the hot tub. Sweet Jesus, who knows what stranger’s semen invaded my womb? What if his girlfriend was ovulating (while sitting over the intake valve) and EVEN THE EGG MIGHT NOT BE MINE!
Now the blond hair makes sense. (Forget the blondes in my family tree.) Oh my God, I need Montel. I need Springer. I need Dr. Phil.
We need DNA tests of every man who’s ever lived at that apartment complex! Some bastard owes me 9 years of back child support, and I’m coming for his ass.
Amy, I hope your search for the real father of your child goes well.
Actually, the pool pregnancy thing isn’t so shocking. I used to think that sperm crawled across beds, so staying alive in pool water isn’t such a stretch.
Of course, I was about seven at the time I thought that.
Noo, you’re getting it all wrong. This book is Literature with a capital L and all those seemingly illogical or wrong things are metaphors, symbols, allegories, whatever for the deeper meanings of life and love. :-)
Yes! I see it all now! The freeze-dried food represents capitalism! And the incestuous pregnancy via spunky poolwater a representation of man’s drive to define himself as an isolato!
*mind boggles*
What bugged me most about the pool-pregnancy is why would anyone be swimming in that pool after such a disgusting accident?
I guess, in theory, if such a thing were going to be possible, it could have happened from an earlier jack-off session, but it sounded to me like the pregnancy was supposed to be from that last, disastrous one.
Oh, thank you thank you thank you thank you for this rant! I thought I was a lone geek in the reading universe; it’s great to read someone else nail the egregious errors that drive me nuts. Know what really gets me? That mistakes like that get past even science fiction editors . . .
Sigh.
On the other hand, my sister was complaining just the other day about how she’s the only one of the three of us who doesn’t look like one or the other of our parents . . .
I’ve never understood the appeal of Palahniuk anyway. I read the “Guts” story when it was excerpted in a newspaper and the swimming pool pregnancy made me laugh out loud. If that was truly possible (and everyone who’s ever been in an sex education class should know that it isn’t, because it’s one of those questions that will always be asked), the world would be full of virgin births.
Nothing bugs me more then huge mistakes in fiction.
I read a book where a day after being shot in the gut, thigh, broke 3 ribs and a arm he was having vigerous sex and then climbed up a mountain.
Some how i dont think he could do that. An no it was not a science fiction story where he was immortal or something. Just a ordinary guy.
I am loving the rants on this site.
Good job!
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