OntheAcceptabilityofEmotionsandRomance

by Candy Monday, April 04, 2005 at 04:59 PM

Today’s entry is going to talk a great deal about science fiction because the inspiration for this entry comes from two articles dealing with SF, but I swear I’ll tie it back to romance novels before the end of my rambling session. At least, I hope I will.

The first article is written by an SF writer, Debra Doyle. It’s an excellent and hilarious take on SF called the “Girl Cooties Theory of Genre Literature.” The whole thing is worth reading, but this part here is what sparked my interest:

We start by positing the existence of a body of sf readers and writers (numerically perhaps fairly small, but nevertheless extremely vocal) who are deathly afraid of getting girl cooties. “Hard sf” is their science fiction of choice, because it has the fewest girl cooties of any of the sf subgenres. No subjectivity, no mushy bits, none of that messy relationship stuff getting in the way of the classic sf values of hardness and rigor (and no, I don’t think the elevation of those particular values is coincidental.) Admixtures from other genres are allowed provided that the secondary genre also provides the reader with a low-cootie environment. Westerns don’t have girl cooties, for example, and neither do technothrillers. Men’s action-adventure is about as cootie-free as it’s possible to get.

The second article is actually a huge discussion on Electrolite sparked off by Vox Day, my favorite asshole Christian Libertarian whose views, interestingly enough, rarely seem Christian or Libertarian; if I had to categorize him, I’d call him “ authoritarian Bible Literalist and Ann Coulter fanboy with a bad Mohawk and massive chips on his shoulder regarding women, gays and Jews.” But don’t take my word for it, let the man speak for himself:

The mental pollution of feminism extends well beyond the question of great thinkers. Women do not write hard science fiction today because so few can hack the physics, so they either write romance novels in space about strong, beautiful, independent and intelligent but lonely women who finally fall in love with rugged men who love them just as they are, or stick to fantasy where they can make things up without getting hammered by critics holding triple Ph.D.s in molecular engineering, astrophysics and Chaucer.

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Picture of Quaisior Quaisior said on...
04.04.05 at 09:19 PM |

I’ve got two words for Vox Day: Catherine Asaro.  Lately, I see a lot of backlash about her though.  Some people call her Nebula win for The Quantum Rose the most embarrassing science fiction award ever- because of the “squishy bits.” :roll:  Yeah, it’s just so embarrassing when a Ph.D. scientist with degrees from Harvard wins a science fiction award!

Picture of Candy Candy said on...
04.04.05 at 09:30 PM |

Actually, there’s quite a bit of speculation that Day was specifically talking about Asaro when he made his pointed comment about female SF writers choosing to write about women finding their manly men in space--I believe he continually refers to her as a “romance author” in the discussion on Electrolite I linked to. From what I understand, the science in her SF novels is pretty much immaculately researched, and given her qualifications, she obviously knows what she’s talking about, but that matters not, mmmrm-hrmmmm. Apparently adding a love story to one’s SF novel immediately results in -25 Intelligence and -50 Credibility, with vulnerability to snippy attacks from the dreaded Asshat Misogynist Critics increased from -10 to -50 hitpoints.

Picture of Octavia Octavia said on...
04.04.05 at 11:43 PM |

What a great post! (I blurt emotionally.)

Also, how the heck can you have a Ph.D. in Chaucer?  That makes no sense at all.

Picture of Jorie Jorie said on...
04.05.05 at 04:57 AM |

Yes, I loved Doyle’s rant.

That said, I do not love Asaro.  I read Primary Inversion and thought, like!  Read a second, though, um, read a third and thought, I never want to read Asaro again, PhD or no.  Apart from the fact that rape pervades her Skolian books in a way I find distasteful, I don’t think she has more to say, at least to me.  I read her Nebula-win and while I like squishy bits, I didn’t particularly like that book.

Picture of Monica Monica said on...
04.05.05 at 05:48 AM |

Ahhh, this railing against women invading “their” territory is just a bit of primitive prejudice by intimidated men grabbing on to their itty-bitty dicks for dear life for fear that the tiniest whiff of femininity might grab what little manhood they have.

And my, aren’t those male hard SF types vocal about their personal insecurities and limp bits!  I bet they don’t care if company sees their skid-marked drawers on the floor either.

Picture of Quaisior Quaisior said on...
04.05.05 at 11:40 PM |

Yeah really.  I forgot to mention that it is embarrassing to the male SF fans when that award winning scientist also has a distinct lack of a penis.  The reason people thought The Quantum Rose Nebula win was embarrassing wasn’t so much because they didn’t like the book, it was because they didn’t like the romantic aspect of the book.  Some people questioned what SF was coming to when a book with romance in it could win a major SF award.  It’s funny that I haven’t heard similar things about Bujold’s Hugo and Nebula winners though.  I find a lot of overlap in themes and subject matter in Asaro and Bujold’s books.  To put one author down for being too squishy and then praise another who has the same amount of squishiness in her books is hypocritical.

My point about Asaro wasn’t so much of a fan girlie squeeling as it was to point out that a woman can write scientically accurate SF.

As for the rape aspect, well, we will just have to agree to disagree on that point.

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