“TooStupidToLive”Double-Standards

by Candy Saturday, March 26, 2005 at 08:50 PM

Candy: Meljean has a really interesting entry on TSTL double standards. I’m trying hard to think of a TSTL hero, and I can’t. There are plenty of stupid heroes (the stupidity usually tending towards the “asinine assumptions about the purity and/or intentions of the heroine” variety), and plenty of stubborn heroes, but I can’t think of a hero who puts himself in physically dangerous situations in which he’s patently not able to handle himself and then needs the heroine to run in and save his stupid ass.

Sarah: Hmmm. I’ve seen heroes put themselves in stupid social situations out of a naive inability to predict society, but that’s a common male stereotype anyway, and really, any male in a truly rules-centered society (i.e. the South) knows the rules. Whether he chooses to obey them is another issue entirely. But I can think of a few books where the hero stupidly puts the heroine and himself in a socially untenable situation, leaving the heroine to scheme her way out of poor graces.

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Picture of cw cw said on...
03.27.05 at 06:04 AM |

I think TSTL and hero are mutually exclusive (is that the term?) terms, even though I sort of laughed it off at Meljean’s. Like, you can’t have a heroic hero AND a TSTL hero.

TSTL defined as boldly going where no sane man would go without a weapon, that is. Sexist, yes, but *sigh* such is life. How many women feel comfortable walking around alone at night, versus men doing the same, right?

I do tend to define TSTL behavior as in a character doing something or being so boneheaded they deserve to die, so a lot more characters (heroes included) fall under that. :D

If this makes sense. I’m without sleep and on too much caffeine…

Picture of Candy Candy said on...
03.27.05 at 12:24 PM |

I think we generally expect the hero to rescue the heroine from physical danger, while we expect the heroine to rescue the hero from emotional danger. There, how’s that for divvying up roles based on gender lines? Some books reverse this in interesting ways; For My Lady’s Heart, for example, has a very dangerous, very powerful heroine who (misguidedly) tries to protect the hero from physical harm, while the hero is the one who has to deal with her many, many issues regarding love and security. But he kicks ass, too. Sigh. Good old Ruck. One of my all-time favorite heroes.

And yeah, if TSTL is defined the way you define it (and why not, really?) then there are plenty of TSTL heroes. Or maybe they need their own designation: So Stupid They Deserve to Die? SSTDTD? And look: it contains “STD” in the middle! Huh huh. I said “STD.”

Between SquishLit and SSTDTD I’m on FIRE this weekend with the stupid phrase-coining. WOOT!

Picture of Meljean Meljean said on...
03.27.05 at 01:56 PM |

Holy crap! *shakes fist* I was thinking about this topic and came up with tSTD hero/heroines (Too Stupid to Die) The heroes (actually, almost all heroines) that you wish they did die, but somehow their stupid actions ended up allowing them to live AND marry the great guy at the end (and, unfortunately, give birth to a new brood of tSTD kids, which would be the STD part). Damnit! (Is it DamNit? Or DamMit?) Hehehe. My next post will be about not being quick enough to capitalize on marketing trends :D

Anyway, I agree that we won’t likely see an out-and-out TSTL hero anytime soon. Although there have been bumbling ones (and I just love those) I don’t know that I could imagine a HEA with a hero who gets himself killed the day after the wedding. And those TSTL moments do fulfill that hero-to-the-rescue fantasy...I just wish that the situation arose because of some really great villain than because the heroine is missing part of a brain.

Now I’m going to have to check out Chase’s Viscount Vagabond.

Picture of Candy Candy said on...
03.28.05 at 12:10 PM |

Actually, you’re totally ahead of the curve, Meljean--after all, you’re the one who introduced the topic. You’re a trendsetter. I am VERY interested in reading seeing your list of tSTD heroes/heroines.

Picture of frances a. frances a. said on...
05.09.08 at 10:13 AM |

My spam word is have92, which is appropriate, as I think I know of a TSTL hero--Percival Alden, from Johanna Lindsey’s Malory novels.  OK, so he isn’t a hero YET, per se (pun intended), but a more affably hapless supporting character you’ll never encounter, short of them having incured massive brain damage. I live for the day J. Lindsey gets around to wrapping up that particular loose end, more than likely with a too-smart-for-her-own-good/supremely-capable heroine who finds a use for him. (It’d break my heart if Lindsey uses the “secretly uber-intelligent and working undercover for the crown or something similarly rad” plot device, though.) Percy’s so cute...I just want to pat him on the head.

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